Ok, so Adam has given me inspiration for a new post...Name your three FAVORITE comedians, and the three whom you think suck the worst!
So far, I'm bettin Judy Tenuta turns up on 75% of the sucky lists...
And, a word of congrats to the cast and crew of MUCH ADO...for puttin on an entertaining show and for keeping the rain Gods away! I wonder if that deal Mike Freidman made with Satan extends over to the arboretium as well? ( There's one for the Boonies on the board!)
If you get a chance, make sure and come check out THE LION,THE WITCH, AND THE WARDROBE next week for a really fun evening with some kick ass stage combat, courtesy of one Chris "Lito" Tamez, hisself a former Boonie! And look for my high powered cameo as FATHER X-mas!
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There is a comedian in England called Al Murray, who has an onstage alter ego known as The Pub Landlord. He's very, very funny. It's the only comedian I've ever gone to see live. And I all but pissed myself laughing.
Another Brit: Eddie Izzard is sublimely brilliant.
Sam Kinison was dangerous and could get me howling. His bit on Ethiopians: "No wonder you're starving. You live in sand. GO WHERE THE FOOD IS!" The love song to his old girl friend: "You Bitch! I want my records back. And then there is the bit of the corpse and the homosexual necrophiliac.
Lewis Black and Bill Maher I enjoy for their political
acumen and for just being really smart and funny.
In his prime, no one was funnier than Bob Hope. I'm not talking the sad TV/60's movie Hope. I'm talking the radio/Road picture Hope.
I did two plays with Shelley Berman. He could make me weep with laughter, just sitting in a room listening to him vamp.
Johnny Carson was an institution.
I like this guy Ron White. Very smart.
Stan Freberg Discovers America is still the funniest comedy album ever, for my money. I'm showing my age: "Hey, you kids gets a pretty good sound out of those mocassins." "Yeah, considering they were tap-dancing on dirt too."
Judy Tenuta, Emo Phillips, and Carrot-Top are all spectacularly UNfunny and would make my top bottom three.
Hey,
Is anyone else having trouble with the Lex Theatre Group site? I can't get it to pull up any new messages since the Tom Waits ones were added.
I love Bob Newhart, lately Steven Colbert (if he qualifies as a comedian), and Lewis Black. And Martin Short never fails to crack me up.
And I actually liked Tenuta in her earliest days. Sue me, but you cannot possess me.
Gosh hard to pick just 3!!Dane Cook is pretty cool...I know he's kinda "in" right now, but I like him..same with Sarah Silverman.
Also, some dude did a piece about Hot Pockets that had me in my hysterical mode. Has anyone seen me do that? I cannot remember. It's genetic and embarrassing. I laugh so hard that I cry and make weird moaning sounds.
I also can get cracked up with Kathy Griffin. But I have a secret love for all things trashy and American. I am sure she would consider that a compliment.
Plus, has anyone seen this new guy...Josh B?? from Lex. He's pretty damn good.
Okay worst????
Judy Tenuta is pretty bad
Carrot Top is annoying
Don Rickles always seems to piss me off.
By the way GREAT to see all of you.
Don Rickles is a pussycat. He and I share the same business manager. So we'd see a lot of each other at B. manager's family functions...anniversaries, funerals, birthdays, bar mitzvahs, etc. On these occasions, he still cracks the crowd up.
Yeah, I gotta admit Rickles kills me! I LOVED the stuff he used to do on those DEAN MARTIN celbrity rosts...
and Ashley, even though it's criminal that he won't make my list (more than likely) I LOVE Billy Connolly- the man had one of the funniest HBO specials I've ever seen...my sides STILL hurt from it...If you haven't, check out a film he was in called STILL CRAZY about an aging British rock band going back out on the road. Especially poignant, as there is a character in there who I'm sure is modelled after the (recently) late Syd Barrett.
Yes. Billy Connoly. I remember seeing his one night stand show when the Comedy Channel (not Comedy Central)aired it back in the late 80's early 90's. He was very, very funny.
David Cross. I saw him at the Southgate House in Newport a few years ago, which prompted the "Shut Up You Fucking Baby" double CD on SubPop Records. He's more like a really, really funny friend who's just telling hilarious stories at a party while you pass around a J or sit around the campfire drinking beer and whiskey. And I think he's a great actor. His work on Mr. Show and Arrested Development will go down in my book as some of the funniest stuff ever. Very nice and approachable too. He gave me a tour poster and signed it. We also shared a beer at the bar. And I was actually sore the next day from laughing so hard. And that is no joke.
Eddie Izzard never ceases to amaze me. His stream of consciousness beffles me and fills me with wonder. You can't throw him. Even a flub is turned into something hilarious.
I also like Patton Oswalt and Brian Posehn.
The Tenuta was awful. We know my feelings about Menceia. (The only thing funny or fun about him would be his funeral.) And Larry the Cable Guy. On principle. No, forget it. You can't make me like him. I think he perpetuates stereotypes and he encourages them too.
There's this one guy Josh Branham who is supposed to be funny. That's the word on the streets.
Oh...yes! Patton Oswalt. Very funny. He won me over when he started one of his shows by describing himself as looking like a Lesbian dwarf.
Tim, Rickles these days is a walking rimshot. Most of his stuff works more on just pure rhythm than what's actually being said.
Rick, Dennis Miller started to wear thin even before he stuck his head far up G. Bush's fundament. While initially his smugness was part of his charm, he got very self-absorbed and obssessively interested in commenting on his material and delivery rather than delivering it. After he'd interrupt himself to analyze the minutia of how a joke landed for the fifth time, you want to scream, "Get over yourself and get on with it."
Okay....Rickles...I know he's a legend and I am sure he's a lovely guy..but I have found him to be sexist and unabashedly racist...but that was the common schtick of his day...I know, I know. And there are plenty of racist/sexist comedians today...still I don't find him funny.
And David Cross. I forgot him...he's in my top 10 no doubt. I love him. I was a BIG Mr. Show fan.
Ol here goes mine. SOme surprises for you, here!
In no particular order-
1) Eddie Murphy: VERY hard for me not to put Richard Pryor here, but for me it's more of a generational thing. DELERIOUS and RAW came out when I was a teenager and really sorta set the tone for many standups of my generation.
People also forget, for all of his sucky movies of late, Murphy was a damned hilarious stand up!
2) Jerry Clower!- THe mouth of the south, Yazoo city Mississippi's favorite son- if you've never had the pleasure of hearing Clower's home spun humor, you're really missing out! I got the pleasure of seeing him live a few years before he died, and the man was friggin hilarious! His gut bustiing yarns of life with the Ledbetter clan, to the famous "KNOCK HIM OUT, JOHN" bit, to one of his deep, belly "HAWWWWWWWW"s...pure comedy gold! And yes, it was southern, Deep southern, but not redneck or trashy- it was intelligent and clever. And there wasn't a racist or sexist slant to any of his work that I ever heard. Jerry loved everybody.
3( Bill COsby- HIMSELF stands as one of the finest pieces of comedy ever put to film. It also came out at a very impressionable time in my life. And as old as he's getting, the COS still has it. Yet another comedian, however, that couldn't make a good film if his life depended on it ( LEONARD part VI, anyone?) but DAMN is his stand up funny , and dead on! TO me, he's the king of observational humor.
Honorable mention-
Richard Pryor
George Carlin
Roin WHite- Hit and miss, but when he's on, he's ON!
Jeff Foxworthy (say what you will, he's ALWAYS solid, and unlike Adam's comments on LARRY/CABLE GUY, which are dead on, btw- we laugh WITH Jeff, not at him.
Nick Depaulo- Maybe one of the funniest routines I ever saw in the early 90's, but he just kinda dissappeared
Ellen DeGenerres
WORST-
Howie Mandell- SO not funny, it's painful
Carrot top- WOW! Even LESS funny!
Gallagher- the KING of NOT FUNNY!
Eddie Izzard! Yah! I LOVE him.
and speaking of the Izz, Rick8 you still have my videos of him?!? Let me know, I would like to watch them again.
-russell
On days when I'm feeling particularly evil, I picture CarrotTop showing up at the Apollo without his suitcase...that guy is like the wind, all he can do is blow.
Rounding out the top 3 of the worst would be Tenuta and Gallagher/Gallagher Too.
Gallagher is in a race with a chicken for world's biggest cock. His propensity for belittling and antagonizing other comics, club owners, and people in general is more famous than his jokes. And the way he dealt with Gallagher Too was ridiculous.
The best:
Eddie Murphy-X, I agree with you on this one. I listened to the audio tape of RAW every morning before high school. His movie career has certainly fluctuated, but his stand up career was undeniably amazing. But Jerry Clower! Seriously, Jerry f*$#@&* Clower!!! Jesus, next you're going to tell me you're a Carl Hurley fan. ;)
Jim Gaffigan-really top notch comic and not a bad actor. Laurie, Jim does the hot pockets bit.
Greg Hahn-not a household name, but all comics know him, and he's hilarious. You might have heard him on Bob&Tom every once in a while.
Honorable Mention Worst:
Mencina
Honorable Mention Best:
Mike Birbiglia
I will say my choices are somewhat based on the writing ability as well as the stage performance. Some of the other comics mentioned in this thread are great performers, but don't exactly write a lot of their material themselves...(cough cough, Leary, cough, cough) Not to say that means they're worthless, a lot of big time comics buy jokes from younger comics, especially after they've "made it."
-JB
JB,
YEach, I like Greg Hahn as well.
And sorry, I know CLower isn't the coolest chioice, but I was raised on him, and I think the guy had hilarious delivery, and I've always loved that old south style of storytelling. Not sure who the other guy you mentioned is....
Oh yeah, and this Josh Branham guy is supposed to be pretty funny too!
And WHAT a hoofer!!!!
X-I can see why you like Clower, just giving you a hard time. My pops was also big on Clower when I was growing up.
I forgot one of the best, Dangerfield. He may have been THE hoofer, but some of his jokes are very witty. My favorite of his goes something like
"I got a couple buddies who try to make it with anything that moves. "
I said, "hey, guys, why limit yourselves?"
-JB
Gaffigan has been around a while, and been on Conan and Letterman a bunch. If you've seen "That 70's Show," he played a character named Roy for several episodes.
Laurie likes the bit he does on hot pockets. Part of that goes something like
"They now have vegetarian hot pockets. For those of us who don't eat meat, but still want diarrhea."
-JB
I like mitch fatel a lot. Also, I can't remember what the guy's name is...witherspoon or something, anyway, this guy has a character called the lovemaster that is hilarious. David Chapelle is conspicuous by his absence from anyone's list. I still like lenny bruce- kind of dated, but very funny nonetheless
Yes! The Lovemaster! That is Craig Shoemaker. I heard this bit on XM Comedy a month or so ago. I was at work listening to it with my headphones and was trying to stifle my almost uncontrolable laughter as not to disturb anyone. This proved to be more disturbing than any guffaw I could have ever come up with. It was absolutely hilarious.
I like Lewis Black, but I watch him more to see if he will finally have that brain anneurism. His delivery screams heart attack or cerebrial edema.
Craig Ferguson is another actor/comedian who has great delivery. The opening monologue to his show is always entertanining.
Steven Wright was funny for about a year.
I remember listening to Eddie Murphy: Delirious. Those bad words warped my innocent young mind.
I listened to lots of Bill Cosby records. Noah and the Ark is a classic. Any of his Fat Albert stories were great. I especially remember "Fat Albert gets a hernia."
Steve Martin's Wild and Crazy Guy, Let's Get Small, and Comedy is Not Pretty/Cruel Shoes were always on the turntable as well, making me laugh. And the guy kicks ass at the banjo.
I still have all the old Cosby records which I bought as a teenager when he was first starting out. He was it back then. His comedy special back in the eighties were pretty good too.
I still hold a great fondness for many of the old radio comedians like Jack Benny (and watched his show every week when he was on the telly). He's still famous for getting one of the biggest longest laugh for saying nothing ever: In a skit, a robber says to him "your money or your life" Pause. Pause. Pause. The audience breaks into hysterical laughter. Then after the laughter died. The robber repeats his demand: "your money or your life" and Benny tops the previous laugh by peevishly responding to the thief: "I'm thinking, I'm thinking!" Yeah...you had to be there and also know that Benny's radio persona was that of a notorious skin-flint. But it was pretty funny the first time I heard.
There was a comedian, Jackie Vernon, back in the sixties who had a deadpan delivery similar to Steven Wright but the jokes were more borscht belt, vaudeville...still funny, largely because of the delivery. Ah, where is Ed Sullivan when we need him?. Maybe some of you know of Frank Gorshin as an actor (most famous as the Riddler in the original Batman series with Adam West...But he did a one-man George Burns show on Broadway a few years back), but he started out as an impressionist and was rather brilliant.
One of the weirdest comedians ever, who was a staple of Vegas, and did the occasional foray on the tonight show,because Carson loved him, was Pete Barbuti. He started out as a musician and had their off-beat sense of humour. He used to crack up the guys in the band on the tonight especially. He do really odd jokes like. "A guy was obsessed with Beethoven and decided to dig him out of grave. He goes to the grave-site and digs and digs. Hits the coffin and as he cracks it up, a voice yells...'Shut that! I'm de-composing!" I know...I know...
Thanks Josh!!
I KNEW somebody would know the "hot pockets" bit.
I got frozen faced hysterical with that one with a guy that I barely knew from work. We were in his truck driving around when I started my ill-fated radio sales job...I had to explain my genetic predispostion to unpredictible bouts of hysteria...needless to say, it helped him get to know me very quickly. We're still pals. Thankfully, he didn't find me too odd.
I did a show last night at the Dame in downtown lex. Their a/c broke down a few days ago, and was scheduled to be fixed yesterday. Of course, the repairperson didn't show up. The night began with 170+ in the audience. By the time I went up, there were about 45 left. I was the closer, which is usually the prime spot, but in this case...miserable.
It reminded me of a production of 1776 I was in where the same thing occured. It kills me when theatres/venues don't understand the importance of comfort.
Sorry, had to vent there.
-JB
Its gettin hot here...
oh JB that stinks!!!!!
As bad as the body odor in there I'm sure.
Curses to the AC repair people!!!!!!
Yeah, Laurie, it sucked. I, of course, was not that uncomfortable after spending so much time in a tuxedo for Much Ado. It was hot, though not Arboretum hot. You could tell the audience was drained and irritable after just a few minutes into the show.
I am surprised Seinfeld has not made it into the conversation for great comedians. I nominate him for top 5 honors.
-JB
Oddly enough, except for the little snippets he used to do in the early seasons of his show, I don't think I ever saw much of Seinfeld's stand-up. I loved his show!
There's a very interesting movie out there which depicts Seinfeld building a "set." Can't think of the name of it..."I'm Telling You for the Last Time" is good as well. Both show his abilities better than the show.
-JB
Break a leg, merde, and all other opening night felicitations, X. We'll be out this weekend.
P.S. - New Topic?
Break a leg, merde, and all other opening night felicitations, X. We'll be out this weekend.
P.S. - New Topic?
Break a leg, merde, and all other opening night felicitations, X. We'll be out this weekend.
P.S. - New Topic?
Leg breaks to X and all...
May the weather Gods bless u with favorable skies..starry nights and a beautiful moon.
Aslan is on the move!!!!!!!!!
Ouch, man. Ouch. That is all I have to say about that.
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I'm talking about Dag's review.
Ditto to AL's comment. Julianne wrote a lovely comment about the show on the "other" Lex theatre sight that I thought captured something very beautiful about children and theatre (go read it!) and I know firsthand how my stepdaughter reacted to a rehearsal with no costumes and no set...she was totally engrossed.
site not sight
I mean, I've seen venom, especially from Dag, but Dag Gone.
I'll be there tomorrow evening. Or Sunday. The Johnson Bros are playing the entire White Album at Natty's tomorrow evening.
Your views, Tim? If you feel it is appropriate to pass them along, that is..........
Oi vey. That kind of thing can really damage someone's performance. I hope to god certain people mentioned in the review are able to avoid reading it until after the show is over. It's very hard to do, though, in the LSF environment. I had to dip and dodge people's conversations constantly to avoid the Much Ado review.
-JB
I believe in disagreeing with reviewers, but not dissing them. I have no quibbles with Dag or Rich's work as I usually find it thoughtful and earnest. I don't always agree with them.
I thoroughly enjoyed the show. Thought it the best of the three. It could be because I am the least familiar with it and therefore came to it with the least expectations. I came to it not ever having read the books or seeing the movie. So I can't speak to the merits of the adaptation. But by the same token the underlying material doesn't interfere with my response to this piece of theatre.
As Julieanne pointed out to me this morning, when I worked for Disney, we got to go to all their premieres for their various and sundry animated features. Kids always ask: "What's going on?" during a show. This does not diminish their enjoyment, just because they don't understand every nuance.
I suspect to that do a show that captures all the depths of C.S. Lewis's thematic material would have required three hours.
For my money, Rachel Rogers is the best young actress working in Lexington. I will be sad to see her go off to Asolo
this fall for it will leave a significant void in the talent pool. But I will be glad to see her go, for that talent deserves more opportunities to be employed, expanded, and exploited.
If I can find fault with the Shakespeare venue is that it is not conducive to subtlety. So the hope for subtlety in such a non-intimate environment where an actor has to paint with a rather broad bush seems to me a rather silly.
I personally think it is a venue where the actor has so many obstacles to fight against that it would be very hard to achieve "great" theatre. Fun theatre, spectacle theatre, engaging theatre, even opulent theatre, yes. Nuanced, in-depth theatre where both actor and audience work in synthesis, no...
I've heard from others that the Woodland Park venue was a better space for "theatre"; while this space is better for "festival".
To be honest, you usally know what kind of review you are going to get by which one shows up.
RC has always given an even-handed review. He seems to balance the negitives with the positives. DR on the other hand seems to only be negitive most of the time.
reviews must always be taken with a grain of salt.
LSF is NOT intimate theatre. It is for the masses. There is a signifigant number of audience members who's only theatre experience during the year is LSF.
True, there is more of a social event feel, what with picnics, candles and wine. But I feel, this is a big part of the draw.
I did enjoy the shows at Woodland park. They did seem a bit more intimate. But for every helicopter we must endure now, there were 3 ambulences, 2 firetrucks, and various police and sherrif's wizing by with sirens blazing. I remeber one year were a bad man was pulled over by the law. Some poor actor was trying to do his job but all you could hear was the bull horn, "DRIVER, STEP OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR HANDS UP!" In due time several lawmen were there blocking the street with lights on.
Even though it was nice there, I do prefer the Arboretum.
As for Racheal R., I have had the pleasure of working with her over the years. She is one of those people the Techies love. Friendly, professional, with no ego stroking needed.
I too, belive a large hole in the talent pool will be hard to fill when she leaves.
-russell
I've found Dag to be just as even-handed as Rich. They come to the shows with different points-of-views, tastes, and styles. Nor is their job to just throw bouquets. I've never found Dag to be overly-negative and have, in fact, on occassion found him to be overly-kind in places I would not have been. Oftentimes his reviews seem to be a combination of discussing of what he perceived as a production's strengths and weaknesses, which indicates to me that he is not just trying to be flip or dismissive, but is diligence in his assessments.
Again, I may not always agree with his assessements...or Rich's, for that matter. I am, admittedly, baffled by Dag's assessment of Rachel in this show.
But I think the only time you can legitimately get confrontational with a critic is when they go beyond reviewing the play and performance and get personal. If a reviewer writes something like: "That blubberly sow with her ugly puss should never be allowed onstage again"; then he'd be crossing the line. Dag or Rich, in my experience, have never crossed that line.
I appreciated Dag's review for THE EBONY APE way back in 1987. He mentioned things and made observances that told me he got what I was trying to do. He also mentioned one thing he considered a drawback and I agreed with his analysis and subsequently did some editing and re-writing after that initial production which I felt addressed the problem. I did not correct it in the manner Dag suggested; but found another solution that I felt fixed the moment. But I probably would not have done so without his note. That to me is constructive criticism.
So I don't think he's just some tosser spewing bile and venom. I think both Rich and he take the responsibility seriously and try to call 'em as they see 'em. Not always rightly in my view, but that's the vagaries of this wonderful biz we call theatre.
The one thing I agreed with Dag on is the profusion of body mics. I don't mind a miked staged that supports an actor's projected voice, but when you have actor's doing physical stuff onstage and you hear every crackle and pop, plus their voice amplified with that tinny electronic sound, it drives me crazy. Can't the stage be properly miked instead of the actors?
Shayne's mic popped out on him opening night. Fortunately, his vocal training is such that I could still hear most of what he said. But he told me that you can't tell when you're onstage when your mic goes out and had he known he would have been able to project so that everyone on that hillside could've heard him.
Miking shows is the bane of my existence. I don't mind an actor's natural voice being supported by appropriately-placed stage mikes, but I hate the hollow amplification. I also hate this trick of hiding body mics in wigs and costumes and such and, even more, I despise the new habit of making no attempt to hide the mic at all, but it just slashing blatantly across the actor's cheek for all to see. Awful, awful! Ruins the illusion entirely.
And what happened to it being part of an actor's job to be able to project so you can hit the back wall? I never worked with a body mic when I was an actor. I went to see a production in the Guignol recently that was miked. I beg your pardon??? Any actor who can't clearly be heard in the back row of that theatre, shouldn't be onstage.
I've always had a perfectly lovely time as LSF; but I do think it is more the ambience of the event than that I'm seeing spectacular theatre. The theatre can be often entertaining, but the poor actor has so many diversions with which to compete...stars, weather, helicopters, kids, dogs, food, ambulances, booze, shaved Hawaiian ice...that it is almost impossible for him to hold and retain the undivided attention of the audience. It's also harder for the audience to do their job, which is to be quiet and listen.
I do believe theatre can be both intimate and for the masses. I both been an audience and a performer in spaces where the venue could hold several thousand, but the stage and the seating configuration was such that every raised eyebrow, every whisper, every nuanced inflection of an actor registered.
Mic problems were something we struggled with mightily at BOONE. WE chose to not use individual mics, but to use shotgun mics down in front of the stage, along with some other well placed stage mics. Try as we might, however, it never really worked as well as it should have. As an actor, I hate using the mics too, but I do believe in an area like the arboretum, you really have no choice. And I totally agree that an actor in a bfa program has no business being miked in a relativly intimate space like UK's...that's just odd to me.
As for the critic issue, and Adam's question of my response to the review, I'd prefer to wait till the show is down to address it. Suffice it to say that you're never going to please everyone with a review. SOme say vertain critics are too nice, some say they are too harsh...the truth, as always, is probably somewhere in middle.
X, was the seating space at Boone a defined area with actual tiers and benches or seats or the audience just sprawled out willy-nilly on a hillside like at LSF?
It's a shame there is not a more natural amphitheatre there in the Arboreatum which would better accommodate acoustics.
THere are tiers and seats, and the who;e audience area was surrounded by trees and growth, so there was some sense of a defined area, but the elements still played hell with us (water in the mics, trains, cars, what sounded like gang-related drug activity,etc...)
Regardless of all, a review...although it can be powerful, is one individual's opinion.
I usually agree with Dag. He's heavy handed...but aren't we a little used to being reviewed gently in Lex? Not to open up a can of worms...but I wondered that for years. I was a nervous wreck when I got reviewed here in a town that no one knows me...I wasn't sure how I would be perceived out of my "element"...luckily I was well recieved by the two individuals who get to write for the papers here...so what does a review tell us??
Again, I enjoyed the rehearsal. Hopefully people will spread the word. "Cause in the end, it all comes down to the enjoyment of the process and performance for the actors and tech, the house for the management, and the enjoyment of the individuals out in the dark...a good review is a nice pat on the back...a bad one can hurt and challenge you but it is what it is.
On a Boone note, don't forget the f***ing crickets! They were Legion! And if I turned up the mics to better hear the actors, I also turned up the damned crickets!
OY! the crickets!!! How I remember those bastards!
btw, Mikey- certainly no reflection on your sound op prowess- you did miracles with the equipment/environment you had to work with...
Been away and I am sorry I missed the peak heat of this topic. But anyway.....'
Fav funny people:
George Carlin
Denis Leary
Bill Hicks (R.I.P.)
Honorable Mention:
Lisa Lampanelli- She has kind of a one joke subject matter, but her delivery is super sharp.
Whoopi Goldberg- Love her. She wasn't invited to Oprah's "Legend's Ball". I think that is cool.
Unfunny People:
Carrot Top
Howie Mandel
Carson Daly
DECLINE ALERT: I've seen Robin Williams on a number of talk shows lately and he has not been funny.
PS. Oh yea. I love Bill Mahr's material, too.
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