HEROES frakin' ROCKED last night! Is it just me, or are any of you becoming less and less enthralled with films lately? Not necessarily films in GENERAL, but particularly where the "genre" (Sci-fi, comic books, etc) tales are concerned, I think the folks on the small screen do it a HELL of alot better as of late! This would almost seem like a no-brainer to me, as you have a long period of time to develop characters and let plots lines, mysteries and twists unfold (that is if the network isn't FOX or CBS and they cut you off at the knees without giving the show a chance! DRIVE and JERICHO, we hardly knew ye) But when they DO give shows a bit of room to breathe, such as HEROES, it can pay off wonderfully! This show started off with a great premise, but was a bit shaky in the dialogue department- and quite frankly, it wasn't really moving at too brisk of a clip where the plot was concerned. BUT- fast forward to about the last 8 episodes, and you've got some really great, kick ass genre TV. It culminated with last night's episode, which was one of the finest hours of TV I've seen in awhile (at least since the episode TWO weeks ago! ) Sure , they're basically just dredging up the XMEN / DAYS OF FUTURE PAST plot line, but SO WHAT? Did you SEE the last XMEN flick? SUCKED! Spidey three? SUCKTACULAR! Superman returns? SEND HIM BACK - return to suck-o! The HEROES writers can keep right on cribbing funny-book plot lines till the cows come home for all I care, cause it's damned compelling TV.
And while we're at it, have you watched LOST lately? Hey-sus on a cracker! Those boys are swinging for the fences with the second half of the season. Once again, they started out slow, but my lord they're finishing strong. Last week's epi wrapped with a gut-shot John Locke lying on top of an uncovered mass grave! THAT'S quality TV folks!
Honestly, what with LOST, HEROES, GALACTICA, and the (possibly) recently departed JERICHO , it's a damned good time to be a fan of SCI FI / post apocalyptic TV! So here's the question- what was / is your favorite SCI FI/ HORROR/post apoc./ any of that genre television show ever? And also, is there one you started to get hooked on when the network suits pulled the plug? One you're just DYING to see how it all ends? (See JERICHO, as previously mentioned a bunch! F. YOU, CBS!*)
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I always thought that they ought to do Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" as an animated Mini series.
I keep hearing rumours of Transmetropolitan in developement Hell.
I will say that i'll see any Batman films to come down the pike as long as Christopher Nolan stay on board.
yes, on all the ones you have mentioned..I really liked Invasion and it was taken away..
We love LOST. You're right - incredible episode last week. I've been watching it from the first season and, though it pissed me off from time to time and yanked me around, I have hung in there because I just can't help it. I'm glad. And tonight should be a heck of an episode, too - next week's season finale, too. Who is Jacob???? :)
Alas, I don't watch any of these things. Probably the last thing like this I watched was The Night Stalker with Darren McGavin. I liked that.
THE NIGHT STALKER was great TV, and it was an ispiration to BUFFY, which of course is one of MY all time fave genre shows. Hard to believe it was only on one season!
Patrick Patterson is coming to UK...
(on another side note) Tim,I adore the photo of the party, I went to my nephew's b-day party with a lot of his little classmates, their laughter and watching them run around, simple fun stuff...
Thanks- the party was a blast! I've been to three of them in the past month and it's always a ton of fun watching them interact with each other! Great learning experience...
But for the love of mike, can we NOT talk about UK BBALL? Next thing you know we'll have Steve K in here ranting about IU and things will just go to hell in a handbasket! ;)
Argh, X, keeping this post to just one example is impossible. I'm a fangirl and proud of it, but I love different shows for different reasons. I'm right there with you on Heroes (criticism, too) and Galactica, 2 very different creatures mood-wise. Heroes does a great job with the larger-than-life comics angle, whereas Galactica (when it doesn't slip, as it did a few times this season) nicely encapsulates our post-9/11 jitters and conflicts. You know, Chuck, I have a friend who absolutely hates science fiction, but he got into Galactica because it's just a good drama with some great actors. It's very easy to forget it's set primarily on a bunch of spaceships.
My two long-standing favorites would have to be Babylon 5 and Doctor Who. B5 made story arcs fashionable with a carefully planned 5-year storyline -- a novel for television. Sometimes the dialogue veered off-course, but the ideas were grand and sweeping -- a philosophical debate on order vs. chaos and which is better for our development. And who do we allow to dictate those terms, anyway?
Doctor Who, on the other hand, never pretended to have a great plan, at least in its first incarnation from '63-'89. (The newer version, begun in 2005, is heavily influenced by American shows, especially Buffy, and carries a loose arc through each season.) But the overriding theme of both classic and new Who is to live your life as fully as you can and to help out others as you're doing that. Don't turn a blind eye to the problems around you; do what you can to make everyone's situation better. It's not the utopian vision of humanity of Star Trek (although I have loved Trek since I was a child and it holds emeritus status in my sci-fi pantheon), but it does say that we humans have the power to raise ourselves above our circumstances. It's hopelessly optimistic in its own way, but like all good science fiction it uses fantastic elements to make substantive comments on our ordinary existence. Sometimes the message of redemption is easier to swallow from a 900-year-old alien who travels in a time/space machine that looks like an old British police call box.
natalie, very well said..loved reading that!
Pogue beat me to it. I don't watch these shows, but the night stalker scared the hell out of me when I was a kid. I enjoyed lost in space (after school) /and there was a show that I caught as re-runs that came on saturdays when i was a kid LAND OF THE GIANTS (an irwin winkler production) it was really cool show with a group of "lost" people in a strange land of giants. COOOOooooooolllllll.
Peace,
D$
I just remembered, there was a show that I thought was canceled prematurely -- and by FOX no less! Alien Nation built up a nice storyline and good characters over the course of a year (1989-90), ended on a *major* cliffhanger, and then was axed! All because FOX was having some financial problems, they said. There was enough fan support to continue the story in a comic and then 5 TV movies, but it's too bad we never got the natural progression a real second season would have provided.
Oddly enough, one of the last meetings I had in Hollywood before I left was one about doing a LAND OF THE GIANTS tv movie. Meetings to do stuff like that may be why I left.
Nat,
Are you sure there wasn't a second season of that? I could've sworn SCI FI picked it up.
I used to have a LAND OF THE GIANTS lunch box!
Hey X,
Yeah, I'm sure. Sci-Fi may have talked about resurrecting it at some point over the years, but that channel didn't start up until '92. But like I said, there have been 5 movies since it got canceled, so maybe that's what you're thinking of?
I guess so.
So here's mine:
1) BUFFY / ANGEL- I count these as one show, because, despite the fact that they were very different in tone, they were the same universe and often intersected. Natalie's point about genre shows using "fantastic elements to make substantive comments on our ordinary existence" was never more in evidence than in the "Whedon-verse". Great stories, excellent writing (critically acclaimed too!)and two fantastic series finales (especially ANGEL! Possibly the greatest ending of a series ever)
made this one for the ages.
2) Battlestar Galactica- one of the grittiest, toughest shows out there. And a better esasy on the current war troubled times than any other show around. Great acting (Ed Olmos and Mary MacDonnell could read the phonebook and I'd love it!) and creative, exciting stories.
3) Deep Space Nine- The finest hour(s) for the STAR TREK universe. A great ensemble cast, and excellent season long story archs (after the first season, anyway, which is kind of wretched in retrospect) But once Michael Dorn came on board, that show took off and never stopped.
4) LOST- For all of the shit it's put me through, LOST never ceases to compel me to watch. This season's cliffhanger might finally deliver on the promises this show has been making for three seasons. If not, it may go OFF my list!
Oh yeah...and F*^K CBS for cancelling JERICHO!!!!
I was miffed when they yanked Earth2, when it was just getting good. It seemed like an interesting premise with a sick child who could communicate with the new planet.
Jericho goes without saying, but i will say it anyway.
I should know by now not to watch anything with Skeet Ulrich starring. A few years ago ABC ran a show where he was a guy working with the Catholic church to disprove miracles. It ended up being really dark and eery, but was yanked after only 7 episodes.
There was also a real sleazy nighttime soap opera-ish vampire show on for less then one season called Kindred...it was loosley based on some "role playing game" The masquerade, kindred the embraced that my little brother played for awhile. It was so bad it was delicious.
As far as favs they are simliar to yours.
Buffy/Angel (you mine all well put Firefly in there too....that darn Joss Whedon)
BSG - Compared to the rest of television the show is like a high price call girl in the room with a bunch of streetwalkers and whores.
OH yeah.....my sentimental nod to my youth. The Bionic Woman. I love me some Jamie Summers.
She was pretty, smart, strong, fast, could hear really well, had a hunky boyfriend AND she stayed busy kicking fembot ass and saving the world. Perhaps she was my "adult" version of Buffy.
She was one of the few women on TV back then that lived by herself and worked a day job as a teacher as well as her secret work for Oscar Goldman at the OSI. (um, perhaps i should stop now)
I am bothered they are "reimagining" my show on tv in the fall.
I forgot...X-files, loved it...and I really liked the newer Night Stalker that only had a few episodes, in one of the last episodes they had dropped in Darren McGavin in the newsroom, from an original show on the screen and the new actor passed him and they shared a smile, it was really fun...nice tribute
Breaking news:
I just read on Digg that Neuromancer has just been greenlit. Although sadly Chris Cunningham is no longer attached to the project. They do at least have a 70 million dollar budget, so it probably won't look like it was made in someone's basement. Hopefully this will be the sort of project that causes fan itch in a goodly number of actors. And it's part of a trilogy. So franchise!
X, I'm right there with you on DS9. A lot of Trek fans don't care for it, because it was darker and contained more conflict, but it's my favorite of all the series for just that reason.
Bond571, I loved X-Files too, at least the first 5 or 6 seasons. Then it all got hopelessly murky with the convoluted mythology!
Kinesys, how about Neuromancer on film! That has potential, doesn't it? Maybe technology has finally caught up with the cyber-punk vision of that book...
X FILES jerked me off for NINE YEARS and never gave me any satisfaction. It is the epitome of what's wrong with episodic TV. Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't have watched if it wasn't well made,and as Natalie said the 1st 5 or 6 seasons were very entertaining. But if ever there were a group of writers who wrote themselves into a corner...MAN did that show dissapoint me. LOST detractors (and fans) often complain they are in fear of the show "pulling an Xfiles" when it's all said and done. BOY, I hope not.
The show that really pissed me off was TWIN PEAKS. I faithfully followed it and loved it, but when, in the end, they paid nothing off with anything resembling a logical conclusion,I felt I had just watched the longest shaggy dog story in history.
I am a trek purist, loved the original, next generation and Enterprise (I know I am in the minority there). Sadly I never gave DS9 a chance, I could not get past that sucky season 1.
I love teh optimism of Trek, even the darker shows always had a bit of that utopian possability. I love the dark stuff too, BSG is a great show, no doubt about it.
Speaking of Enterpirse, I have to admit, one of my secret guilty pleasures was Quantum Leap. I guess it was the perfect combination of my love for history and sci fi.
As for basketball, IU's incoming class is ranked 9th, Eric Gordon the top incoming frosh is ranked 2nd in the country. Honestly though I am happy for UK, a rebirth of the great rivalry between IU and UK is ggod for the whole freaking sport.
Steve
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Well I usually just enjoy reading these posts and going on my lurksome way, but I couldn't resist chiming in on this one.
First of all, I just discovered Firefly (on DVD) and its film Serenity -- what an awesome show! Cool writing (with that combination of interestingly affected spacehick language and sharp-tongued cowboy witticisms), awesome characters, outlaw anti-imperialism, a ship that depends on cunning rather than weapons, and despite that, some of the most impressive general space bad-assery since Kirk. They even won an emmy in the first season and yet it was canned. I understand that one of the obstacles was that the network (Fox, I think, but I can't remember for sure) originally aired the episodes in the WRONG ORDER. Nice.
Speaking of Kirk-worthiness, I must confess my allegiance to Trekdom. Although I acknowledge the overall superiority of DS9 and I understand why it is the favorite of the most sophisticated Trekkies, I am rather partial to Next Generation and even Voyager. While both TNG and Voyager had some truly hideous episodes (Only hard core Trek geeks could tolerate the suggested hilarity of The Doctor and Seven of Nine singing a Duet of Oh Susannah, for instance, or say, another TNG Holodeck episode where Worf is a cowboy), they also had some fine moments where the themes of exploration of the universe/oneself/the meaning and worth of human identity all merged beautifully. The TNG episode "Tapestry" was one of those. The Voyager episodes "Year of Hell" I and II come to mind as well.
All of this of course is under the contingency that nothing can touch The Original Series, if not for its quality, its vision. (Though isn't it pretty funny how many times they had to time travel to the 20th century? Haha, guess that's one way to save money on set construction and special effects...)
Speaking of vision, I have to throw out Mystery Science Theater 3000. Okay, I know it doesn't exactly fit into the genre, but they WERE supposed to be stuck in space, after all. I was truly sad when that series ended and yet impressed it lasted as long as it did. Two hours devoted to making fun of a bad movie is not an easy concept to pitch and then sustain as a regular TV show I’d imagine.
Finally, right now, I am currently a LOST devotee and I hope I am not eventually swindled a la X-Files. Spurred by the promise that they are not going to pull some supernatural bullshit cheat-sheet ending (like they are in purgatory), I have totally bought into their interactive marketing. I read lostpedia and spoiler blogs. I visit websites like the Hanso Foundation and Widmore Corporation. I may need help. I can tell you that “The Numbers” are from the Valenzetti equation, a mathematical model designed to predict the exact timing of humanity’s extinction (er, or something) and that Dharma was evidently trying to alter factors in the equation (er,environmental, or something) to lengthen humanity’s lifespan. I have a theory about who Jacob is but it is most likely ridiculous.
Candace,
FIREFLY Rules! Anything in the WHEDON-verse is OK by me! And yes, it was FOX that hosed this show completley! It could've and should've run for multiple seasons, but even fans of Joss such as my wife and I were unable to get into the show when it was running on FOX. Out of order episodes (The friggin PILOT didn't run till about the sixth episode!)
I agree totally about VOYAGER. I always thought that show had a bad rap. LOVED Chakotay and Seven. Two of the best TREK Characters ever imho...
But THIS crap ( Numbers” are from the Valenzetti equation, a mathematical model designed to predict the exact timing of humanity’s extinction ) is what totally pisses me off about LOST. This has NEVER been addressed on the show, and I have a feeling it never will! Inexplicably, we who don't read LOST websites are supposed to just figure this out? WTF?????A show should not be dependant on people going to the net to find out what's going on. THat's lazy writing in my opinion...
I still love it though...like that girlfriend in college that you just KEEP going back to, even though you know she's a bitch and she jerks you around and your "relationship" is completely unhealty but you just can't do without the sweet, sweet lovin? That's LOST for me...Did I give away too much with information there?
Steve- You should give DS9 a chance. Knowing your tastes, I think you'd dig it...
and no more College Basketball!!!!
If we wanna talk BBALL, let's talk about the thuggery that IS the San Antonio SPurs...wonder how their gonna swindle their way in beating UTAH? Rack Jerry Sloan when he ain't looking? Mug Carlos Boozer before the game? Sign Dennis Rodman to a ten day contract and have him hip check Kirelenko into the fourth row, and then wait for David Stern to suspend the entire UTAH team for three games just for breathing??????
yeah, Twin Peaks was a really great show until.......
Even the film that was supposed to wrap it up (Fire Walk with Me) suuuucccckkkkkeeeeddd. But I loved to watch on Friday Nights. In fact, friday night could not start until after we watched Twin Peaks.
I know I need to give both DS9 and Voyager a chance. The problem is they both started in a period of my life where I had no tv, or when I was working nights. That made it hard to get into a new series. Now just a matter of time, again the evenings are really busy, and the three kids makes it really hard to get into anything. Maybe when I retire in 50 years or so I will catch up on all these wonderful shows.
As for basketball, the NBA is begining to look like it was in the 70's. Scandal after scandal, players in more legal touble than the NFL, and a general lack of interest by the general public. I miss the days of Magic, Jordan, Bird, Sir Charles, etc. Even the bad boys of Detroit would not fit into todays NBA. The Colts won the Superbowl just in time. Indianapolis was about to give up on sports, hell half the Pacers are looking a jail time post season. They can keep getting rid of the trouble makers all they want, but the Pacers are an embarasment.
Oh and I loved X-Files util the movie. I watched it, but kind of resented teh fact that they were asking me to spend money on a movie during the summer so that I would be able to understand the show in the fall. I stopped watching after that.
Steve
"Oh and I loved X-Files util the movie..."
BINGO! That was the beginning of the end for that series!
I am still pissed off about Firefly and Serenity...As much as I liked the Serenity film, I believe Joss works better in TV and given the scope of what he could have done with Firefly...it is a big missed opportunity for sci-fi fans. And when I see the crap that the sci-fi channel does run, why they didn't take a run at Firefly is amazing to me...
As a psuedo-trekie, I agree with Steve...loved the originals and TNG, I never got into DS9, Voyager or Enterprise because I began to grow weary of the overly earnest tone of the series', particularly Voyager. I check in with DS9 in reruns occassionally but I haven't given it a chance since season 1 is all but unwatchable...however, looking back on TNG...the first season and 1/2 are totally unwatchable, Encounter at Far Point almost seems like a spoof it is so hilariously bad!! It seemed to find its footing post Tasha Yar and post clean shaven Riker!!
BTW, the theme song for the next season of BSG is a new song written by Bob Dylan called "This Show Has Jumped the Shark"...although I hope that isn't the case. I'm all for alegory, BSG is getting lazy in making its points...
I'm still waiting for 21 Jump Street: The Next Generation
Peace
Rick
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"Encounter at Far Point almost seems like a spoof it is so hilariously bad..."
GOD yes! Watched it the other day and it was horrible!
I agree about season 1 of DS9, but to your point, seasons 1 (and a good chunk of 2 , oparticularly the "No Bev Crusher" episodes) suck hard for TNG.
I'm tellin you the Dylan song is gonna play a role in next season. I think it's similiar to when they picked up the moon landing transmission in the original Galactica (speaking of unwatchable!)
Candace- I am totally there with you on MST3K, I discovered it when I was in grad school and thought it was one of the funniest shows I have ever seen. I was working at Blockbuster at the time and used to bring home episodes and just veg out watching them. What a great show!!
I never watched the X-Files (Lara did) but being a novice to that universe, I totally remember enjoying the film...
Also, I am curious to know what is going to happen to Trek. The prequel idea sounds totally hideous but I guess I would give JJ Abrams a chance...it seems to me like TNG films were a major missed opportunity. Generations was hideous (how does Kirk survive everything over the course of 30+ years only to get killed by a rock??), the one with Cochrane and the Borg queen was ok but the whole Moby Dick thing was a bit much, the one that seemed like a an extended tv episode sucked and the final one with the Romulans sucked...Plus when you think about it, why did they never expand on Spock on Romelus...there's your damn movie right there, instead of Star Trek 10: Attack of Picard's Clone, the entire series has been left with Spock's ass still hanging out with the Romulans and my god I just realized how geeky this post is...Somewhere Steve Koehler is smiling...
...ummm...once again, I'd like to point out that I am married, with kids, gainfully employed and I don't live in my parents basement...
"Cowboy diplomacy indeed..."
Peace
Rick
ps Candace welcome to Tim X's blog
Several items:
Tim – It looks like a good thing that I missed Firefly at the time because the misordered episodes would surely have derailed my enjoyment. I didn’t know the pilot didn’t air until that late in the season – how in the heck did that happen?
As to LOST – I see your point. A show ought to be a whole entity unto itself with material that gives you all you need to understand it without going to outside sources for fundamental knowledge. I think/hope it still might do that, but then again, it’s hard to say. On the other hand, I think their online strategy is really working for them and I have to hand it to them for being innovative. Remember when the Hanso Foundation commercials started airing last year DURING the show? No one saw that coming and it drove millions of folks to the internet to research it which in turn just increases their investment (in every sense) in the show. They have taken the notion that the characters/events/organizations could be actually real to extreme lengths – a “character” associated with the show (the daughter of Alvar Hanso) even made an appearance at the Comic Con Lost panel, slamming the show’s producers, and making all kinds of accusations against them, as if they were somehow involved in the events of LOST, or were changing what really happened in their version of the story, etc. A stunt, no doubt, but a clever one.
As to all things Trek – Rick, your idea of a Spock on Romulus film is spectacular. They never did revisit that, it is ripe for development, and if done right, would appeal to all camps of fandom. I did like First Contact, particularly for its inclusion of the Zephran Cochran storyline and I think if they do any kind of prequel (which I am categorically against because, besides the fact that the thought of it makes me nervously uncomfortable, it only could succeed under miraculous creative circumstances), it would have to be something that deals with pivotal federation history, not just Spock and Kirk – The Early Years -- where the two of them try to outdo each other taking shots of Romulan Ale at a bar on Deep Space One. Bones has long hair, not entirely legal notions of “medicine,” and we see the incident that leads to his transporter paranoia.
Seriously, in addition to its almost assured conceptual ridiculousness, it would be near- impossible to cast. Successfully, that is. Who could pull that off? Who would try?
Indeed, Encounter at Far Point truly stinks. But at the time it came out, it was much more tolerable, if only for curiosity’s sake. And the book-end series finale episode (All Good Things) almost makes it worth it. I agree that the first two seasons are pretty painful to watch. While Tasha Yar, Riker’s facial hair, and the identity of the doctor are key indicators as to whether the show will be tolerable, let alone enjoyable, I tend to measure the series on the shape of Worf’s forehead and the presence of Gene Roddenberry. Somewhere I read that Roddenberry discouraged character conflict in the TNG scripts, wanting to emphasize the sense of a utopian federation versus any chosen villain, rather than imperfect characters in an advanced but imperfect society conflicting thus. It seems to me that after his passing (rest in peace St. Gene), the show improved in that arena, allowing for less cartoonish characters. DS9 certainly took it much further. And even Voyager had its moments. Poor Voyager, every sentence it gets begins with “And even...” Still, it is currently my favorite series. I too love Chakotay, Seven, and of course, Janeway. There is something about the female captain and her predicament that (predictably) speaks to me...
Oh, and for all MST3K fans, the guys from the show are starting a new venture where they let folks choose a bad movie (you vote online I think), comically rip it to shreds a la MST3K, and release the outcome to dvd or online or something. The website is www.filmcrewonline.com. I just found out about it today.
Used to LOVE MST3K back in the old days...funny stuff.
And speaking of funny, Candace, this line:
" tend to measure the series on the shape of Worf’s forehead"
just made me spew tea all over my keyboard! Funny stuff!
And I think you, Rick, myself and any rational peoples HATE the idea of prequels. For me, it's this question: WHERE'S THE SUSPENSE??? Rick's right about the STAR WARS prequels. ALl they did was make me see Vader as a whiny punk, as opposed to the GREATEST BAD ASS EVER (which he used to be...)
How about this as rumored casting for a Trek prequel: Matt Damon as Kirk, Adrien Brody as Spock, and Gary Sinise as Bones...yikes!!
Peace
Rick
I loved Mystery Science Theatre as well, though I could have done without all the bits between movies and just have them cracking wise to the screen.
This old geezer gets nostalgic over shows that were dead long before most of you were born.
I'm been luxuriating in THE UNTOUCHABLES: The first season, part one. Nice well-written stuff with young well-known actors before they made it big. Last night it was Martin Landau and Vince Edwards (Edwards was star of another show that was over before most of you were born-- BEN CASEY).
On deck is a B&W BBC mini-series of the 3 MUSKETEERS with Jeremy Brett as D'Artangan and Brian Blessed as, who else...Porthos!
Chuck, I watched the UNTOUCHABLES and BEN CASEY as a youngun (reruns, of course) and I especially liked UNTOUCHABLES- I remember hanging out with my Dad watching the adventures of Elliot Ness and Company. Seems to me they were always after Frank Nitty, and not Capone. Am I right?
Yes, a lot of Frank Nitti (played with relish by Bruce Gordon). The series got it start on Desilu Playhouse as a two-part movie about taking down Big Al (played by Neville Brand). It's on the DVD. Tonight I watched the untimely end of Dutch Schultz with a very young Marion Ross (Mrs. C of Happy Days) playing Dutch's
wife.
VOTE...be sure to vote today!
Wait...Pogue.....you were expecting some wrapped up tidy conclusion to a DAVID LYNCH project????!!!!
Did he ever put out anything that resembled anything but convoluted wackiness with a dash of over the top erotica?? Not that that would be a bad thing.
Oh, I'm a fan of Davey's...I may not understand him, but I find him always intriguing. And even oddities like BLUE VELVET have something that resembles an ending...TWIN PEAKS had no such thing. I also foolishly thought Mark Frost, his co-creator, might have some structural influence on him.
FYI- tonight's LOST season finale absolutely KICKED MY ASS FOR TWO HOURS!!!! It did NOT dissapoint!
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